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	<title>Comments on: Shlomo Sand responds to Simon Schama&#8217;s review in the Financial Times</title>
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		<title>By: ben Zalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben Zalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 21:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benyamin, Henri..of course we are a multiplicity of people. With all our enemies thru out hitory, we Jews should not even be here today.  Ancient Greece is gone, Rome is gone, Persia is gone, The Assyrians are gone..etc etc. and after 2000 yrs of pogroms and inquisitions Jews of all kinds are davening at the Kotel (Western wall)! Sure some Jews converted in order to save their lives...many went back.  I admire and love to read our Jewish history..In 4000 years since Abraham there has not been a time someplace, nation, king , dictator or evil church Pope has not tried to harass or murder Jews.  This statement by you...&quot;kingship beyond mere religious affiliation&quot; is right on.  Sands demeans us when he asserts that we &quot;INVENTED&quot; ourselves. Of course we had to invent things, situations, and have all kinds of tricks in our Jewish &quot;Survival Kit&quot;! Hitler&#039;s clone still roams the earth..ask Israel. I have a &quot;kingship&quot; with every Jew. That is every Jew who has a Jewish heart!  Sands lost his Jewish heart! His book aids our enemies!  As do Chomsky, Finklestein, et al. And who the heck are the Khazars..Jewish? I doubt it!  Where is their community today?  Sorry, Henri..I cannot be &quot;sympathetic&quot; to Mr Sands.  I have 6 million reasons, Sir!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benyamin, Henri..of course we are a multiplicity of people. With all our enemies thru out hitory, we Jews should not even be here today.  Ancient Greece is gone, Rome is gone, Persia is gone, The Assyrians are gone..etc etc. and after 2000 yrs of pogroms and inquisitions Jews of all kinds are davening at the Kotel (Western wall)! Sure some Jews converted in order to save their lives&#8230;many went back.  I admire and love to read our Jewish history..In 4000 years since Abraham there has not been a time someplace, nation, king , dictator or evil church Pope has not tried to harass or murder Jews.  This statement by you&#8230;&#8221;kingship beyond mere religious affiliation&#8221; is right on.  Sands demeans us when he asserts that we &#8220;INVENTED&#8221; ourselves. Of course we had to invent things, situations, and have all kinds of tricks in our Jewish &#8220;Survival Kit&#8221;! Hitler&#8217;s clone still roams the earth..ask Israel. I have a &#8220;kingship&#8221; with every Jew. That is every Jew who has a Jewish heart!  Sands lost his Jewish heart! His book aids our enemies!  As do Chomsky, Finklestein, et al. And who the heck are the Khazars..Jewish? I doubt it!  Where is their community today?  Sorry, Henri..I cannot be &#8220;sympathetic&#8221; to Mr Sands.  I have 6 million reasons, Sir!</p>
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		<title>By: Binyamin Henri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Binyamin Henri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 05:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue ought not to be articulated in terms of genetics, and this goes for both Sand and his opponents.  

Ethnicity and culture are categories of kinship and identity, not biological indices.  Just because the majority of members of a particular nationality or ethnicity are not genetic descendants of the original propagators of said group does not therefore invalidate their identity. To assert that it does is similar to saying that an individual adopted into a family is not &quot;really&quot; part of that family... absurd. It may well be that many Jews from a wide variety of genetic populations nonetheless felt throughout history a kinship beyond mere religious affiliation. That is my main criticism of Sand. 

Incidentally, the autonomy of ethnicity/culture/nationality from biology can be said of not just the Jews, but virtually all peoples. The population of Britain, including simply the Anglo-Saxon portions, shows great genetic diversity. Likewise Germany, etc. 

However, my greater criticism is towards Sand&#039;s critics, who are apparently blind to the tremendous contributions - if only conceptual, rather than in terms of scholarly accurate detail - of Sand&#039;s work. Whether or not the notion of Am Yisra&#039;el has had the currency throughout history that Zionist narratives accord it, it certainly cannot be denied that a vast diversity of Judaic peoples has always existed. Moreover it continues to do so. This multiplicity has indeed also been marginalized by proponents of the &quot;One Jewish People&quot; perspective associated with Zionism.  In opposition to such simplistic notions, Sand&#039;s readers ought to maintain criticism that is sympathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue ought not to be articulated in terms of genetics, and this goes for both Sand and his opponents.  </p>
<p>Ethnicity and culture are categories of kinship and identity, not biological indices.  Just because the majority of members of a particular nationality or ethnicity are not genetic descendants of the original propagators of said group does not therefore invalidate their identity. To assert that it does is similar to saying that an individual adopted into a family is not &#8220;really&#8221; part of that family&#8230; absurd. It may well be that many Jews from a wide variety of genetic populations nonetheless felt throughout history a kinship beyond mere religious affiliation. That is my main criticism of Sand. </p>
<p>Incidentally, the autonomy of ethnicity/culture/nationality from biology can be said of not just the Jews, but virtually all peoples. The population of Britain, including simply the Anglo-Saxon portions, shows great genetic diversity. Likewise Germany, etc. </p>
<p>However, my greater criticism is towards Sand&#8217;s critics, who are apparently blind to the tremendous contributions &#8211; if only conceptual, rather than in terms of scholarly accurate detail &#8211; of Sand&#8217;s work. Whether or not the notion of Am Yisra&#8217;el has had the currency throughout history that Zionist narratives accord it, it certainly cannot be denied that a vast diversity of Judaic peoples has always existed. Moreover it continues to do so. This multiplicity has indeed also been marginalized by proponents of the &#8220;One Jewish People&#8221; perspective associated with Zionism.  In opposition to such simplistic notions, Sand&#8217;s readers ought to maintain criticism that is sympathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: ben Zalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben Zalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is that in spite of all the Jew haters thru out world history we Jews are again sipping Tea in Tel A Viv and Jerusalem.  Without Jews this world is a boring place!  We Jews are the &quot;yeast&quot; to the lazy flour and makes it rise! And put this in your &quot;Jewish&quot; putz and smoke it Mr Sand...&quot;so it goes with Israel ..so goes it with the whole free Western World!&quot;  (ERIC HOFFER)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is that in spite of all the Jew haters thru out world history we Jews are again sipping Tea in Tel A Viv and Jerusalem.  Without Jews this world is a boring place!  We Jews are the &#8220;yeast&#8221; to the lazy flour and makes it rise! And put this in your &#8220;Jewish&#8221; putz and smoke it Mr Sand&#8230;&#8221;so it goes with Israel ..so goes it with the whole free Western World!&#8221;  (ERIC HOFFER)</p>
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		<title>By: ben Zalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben Zalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jesusthepalestinian  listen goy arab..if it werent for Judaisim..there would be no Islam.  Mohammed was fascinated with Jews!  There sia book called Koran that says so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jesusthepalestinian  listen goy arab..if it werent for Judaisim..there would be no Islam.  Mohammed was fascinated with Jews!  There sia book called Koran that says so.</p>
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		<title>By: ben Zalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben Zalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This guy Sands is a curse to everything good we Jews have given to the world!  Jews are Jews..Hebrews are Hebrews...all this intellectual clap trap about exile or not is nuts!  Here we Jews have the same book (Torah) for 3000 years and this putz Sand says &quot;no it aint so! Then in the diaspora we Jews struggled against all odds to stay Jewish and alive!  And along comes Sand in 21rst century and uses all the Jew hating Propaganda to say the bull-oney he says. Who cares whether Jews left town or not..yeah those Romans were nice guys who loved &quot;Phillistinia&quot;..Jews and  Jesus!  What womb did Sand come out of?  What a &quot;KLOG&quot; he is to our Jewish Heritage!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy Sands is a curse to everything good we Jews have given to the world!  Jews are Jews..Hebrews are Hebrews&#8230;all this intellectual clap trap about exile or not is nuts!  Here we Jews have the same book (Torah) for 3000 years and this putz Sand says &#8220;no it aint so! Then in the diaspora we Jews struggled against all odds to stay Jewish and alive!  And along comes Sand in 21rst century and uses all the Jew hating Propaganda to say the bull-oney he says. Who cares whether Jews left town or not..yeah those Romans were nice guys who loved &#8220;Phillistinia&#8221;..Jews and  Jesus!  What womb did Sand come out of?  What a &#8220;KLOG&#8221; he is to our Jewish Heritage!</p>
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		<title>By: Rueben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rueben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are lucky enough to be a genealogist, you are lucky enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are lucky enough to be a genealogist, you are lucky enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Jobs in Encinitas CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jobs in Encinitas CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really good article - I&#039;m continuously seeking real useful articles. Any other solutions you care to talk about? I will be coming back for your reply</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really good article &#8211; I&#8217;m continuously seeking real useful articles. Any other solutions you care to talk about? I will be coming back for your reply</p>
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		<title>By: Benyamin Ben-Ari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benyamin Ben-Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for the sloppiness of the previous comment.  My Computer got ahead of me

First off if the Khazars are the ethnic majority of Ashkenazi Jews why did a HUGE majority if not all of them speak Yiddish, a language based off the Germanic language? How come they did not speak Khazarish? Did a great majority of these Jews learn and speak a the language a small minority of Jews in the new lands of Eastern Europe? If Yiddish was based off a Slavic language maybe it would make sense since they would need to able to speak also the language of the local people. But no Yiddish was the dominate language of the Jews of Eastern Europe because it was this Germanic (not Slavic or Turkish)language that the ancestry of these people originated from.
Second, Mr. Sands books states that it was not until the  onset of Zionism and European nationalism that the “myth” of the exile take full force amongst the Jewish People. How then do you explain the whole culture of Exile amongst the Sephardic Jewish Community? It was Yehuda Ha-Levi from Muslim Spain that wrote the famous words “I am in the West, but my heart is in the n the East” He does not go into detail about this community because he has no academic background there he prefers to avoid this conversation because it does not mesh well with his Eurocentric World View.

Also his childish comeback about Simcha&#039;s comment on the nation-state makes me wonder about his academic ability to be objective, but of course a Jew writing about the denial of the Jewish people can hardly be objective (see I can do it too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for the sloppiness of the previous comment.  My Computer got ahead of me</p>
<p>First off if the Khazars are the ethnic majority of Ashkenazi Jews why did a HUGE majority if not all of them speak Yiddish, a language based off the Germanic language? How come they did not speak Khazarish? Did a great majority of these Jews learn and speak a the language a small minority of Jews in the new lands of Eastern Europe? If Yiddish was based off a Slavic language maybe it would make sense since they would need to able to speak also the language of the local people. But no Yiddish was the dominate language of the Jews of Eastern Europe because it was this Germanic (not Slavic or Turkish)language that the ancestry of these people originated from.<br />
Second, Mr. Sands books states that it was not until the  onset of Zionism and European nationalism that the “myth” of the exile take full force amongst the Jewish People. How then do you explain the whole culture of Exile amongst the Sephardic Jewish Community? It was Yehuda Ha-Levi from Muslim Spain that wrote the famous words “I am in the West, but my heart is in the n the East” He does not go into detail about this community because he has no academic background there he prefers to avoid this conversation because it does not mesh well with his Eurocentric World View.</p>
<p>Also his childish comeback about Simcha&#8217;s comment on the nation-state makes me wonder about his academic ability to be objective, but of course a Jew writing about the denial of the Jewish people can hardly be objective (see I can do it too).</p>
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		<title>By: Benyamin Ben-Ari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benyamin Ben-Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off if the Khazars are the ethnic majority of Ashkenazi Jews why did a HUGE majority if not all of them speak Yiddish, a language based off the Germanic language?  How come they did not speak Khazarish?  Did a great majority of these Jews learn and speak a the language a small minority of Jews in the new lands of Eastern Europe?  If Yiddish was based off a Slavic language maybe it would make sense since they would need to able to speak also the language of the local people.  But no Yiddish was the dominat language of the Jews of Eastern Europe becuase it was this Germanic (not Slavic or Turkish)language that the ancestory of these people originated from.

Second, Mr. Sands books states that it was not until the the onset of Zionism and European nationalsim that the &quot;myth&quot; of the exile take full force amgonst the Jewish People.  How then do you explain the whole culture of Exile amongst the Sephardic Jewish Community?  It was Yehuda Ha-Levi from Muslim Spain that wrote the famous words &quot;I am in the East, but I am in the West&quot;  He does not go into detail about this communty becuase he has no academic backgrounf there he prefers to avoid this conversation because it does not mesh well with his Eurocentric World View.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off if the Khazars are the ethnic majority of Ashkenazi Jews why did a HUGE majority if not all of them speak Yiddish, a language based off the Germanic language?  How come they did not speak Khazarish?  Did a great majority of these Jews learn and speak a the language a small minority of Jews in the new lands of Eastern Europe?  If Yiddish was based off a Slavic language maybe it would make sense since they would need to able to speak also the language of the local people.  But no Yiddish was the dominat language of the Jews of Eastern Europe becuase it was this Germanic (not Slavic or Turkish)language that the ancestory of these people originated from.</p>
<p>Second, Mr. Sands books states that it was not until the the onset of Zionism and European nationalsim that the &#8220;myth&#8221; of the exile take full force amgonst the Jewish People.  How then do you explain the whole culture of Exile amongst the Sephardic Jewish Community?  It was Yehuda Ha-Levi from Muslim Spain that wrote the famous words &#8220;I am in the East, but I am in the West&#8221;  He does not go into detail about this communty becuase he has no academic backgrounf there he prefers to avoid this conversation because it does not mesh well with his Eurocentric World View.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesusthepalestinain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesusthepalestinain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since there is no such thing as homogeneous &quot;Jewish DNA &quot;,( European-with R1a1,Slavs R1b1, Armenians , Kurds -J2, Ethiopian- A2, Amaziq- E3B1, Georgian and Ossetian -G etc of different paternal Y-DNA haplogroups ), could all those Goyim Jews then be biological blood descendants from a one single most recent common ancestor let alone one man named Jacob ?! ! !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since there is no such thing as homogeneous &#8220;Jewish DNA &#8220;,( European-with R1a1,Slavs R1b1, Armenians , Kurds -J2, Ethiopian- A2, Amaziq- E3B1, Georgian and Ossetian -G etc of different paternal Y-DNA haplogroups ), could all those Goyim Jews then be biological blood descendants from a one single most recent common ancestor let alone one man named Jacob ?! ! !</p>
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